Writer's Block: R.I.P
Oct. 29th, 2011 10:15 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
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Take any parts that anybody can use, and use 'em. Take the rest, put it in a kittel, and have someone sit with the body reciting psalms. Ideally, someone who knows me and wants to do that, and would find it comforting to do so. That probably means having my body wrapped in a shroud BESIDES being in a kittel, because, having removed any and all useful bits, I expect the remainder wouldn't be very pretty -- no embalming, no neatening up my corpse, so just wrap it up so that it's not disturbing to anyone.
Quickly get the word out that I'm dead, so that anyone who wants to be there can hear about it and get to the funeral, then put the remains in as cheap a pine box as possible. Bury it in a Jewish cemetery with a fairly traditional ceremony, and then, hopefully, I'll have lived a life such that some people will be moved to say kaddish for me over the next eleven months.
Take any parts that anybody can use, and use 'em. Take the rest, put it in a kittel, and have someone sit with the body reciting psalms. Ideally, someone who knows me and wants to do that, and would find it comforting to do so. That probably means having my body wrapped in a shroud BESIDES being in a kittel, because, having removed any and all useful bits, I expect the remainder wouldn't be very pretty -- no embalming, no neatening up my corpse, so just wrap it up so that it's not disturbing to anyone.
Quickly get the word out that I'm dead, so that anyone who wants to be there can hear about it and get to the funeral, then put the remains in as cheap a pine box as possible. Bury it in a Jewish cemetery with a fairly traditional ceremony, and then, hopefully, I'll have lived a life such that some people will be moved to say kaddish for me over the next eleven months.
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Date: 2011-10-29 09:20 pm (UTC)As for me, you may take any parts anyone may wish to use. Take the whole carcass and give it to medical students to dissect. Dispose of the rest as seems best to you. I won't notice or care. I won't be there.
However, since people like some direction at this time of like: corrugated cardboard box to the crematorium. No viewing of the corpse or wake (never could stand that custom). Family and friends can gather together for a sendoff, and scatter my ashes in the Atlantic. The second movement of Beethoven's Seventh Symphony would be nice.
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Date: 2011-10-29 10:36 pm (UTC)The thing is, you can only do ONE of those. The prep they do for organ donation isn't compatible with the prep for brain donation. And for medical cadaver, it's got to be the entire body.
So that's the interesting question: I assume that the majority of my friends would do one of those, but I'm curious to know which one.
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Date: 2011-10-29 11:05 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-29 10:31 pm (UTC)If you predecease me, and I haven't learned the prayer by then, I will.
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Date: 2011-10-29 11:14 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-30 12:38 am (UTC)"The kaddish is a prayer that praises God and nowhere mentions death or mourning. Yet, over time, it has become the central ritual associated with mourning." (Rabbi Michael Strassfeld, A Book of Life, pg. 449)
Rabbi Reuven Hammer, in his commentary on the new Siddur Sim Shalom (a Conservative prayerbook), suggests that the honor of saying the Kaddish was given to mourners. Over time, it became associated with mourning.
So (this is just me here), it looks like what happened is that a particular prayer became associated with mourning, and by this point, hey, it's a tradition. It's also got some rather good points, from the standpoint of helping mourners. You can only say the Kaddish with a quorum of 10 Jews. (The liberal movements count women in this, but that's another point.) So, for the mourner to fully participate, there need to be 9 other people. This leads to the custom of having people visit the mourner at the beginning of the mourning period (shiva), and also encourages the mourner to leave their home and be with other people afterwards.
As far as afterlife goes, the El maleh rachamim prayer, also associated with mourning, is a bit more explicit about afterlife stuff.
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Date: 2011-10-30 02:27 am (UTC)The kaddish, however, is actually a general-purpose prayer. It's used in various daily and holiday services as a demarcation prayer, when you're going from one section of the service to another. And, more relevant to this, it's also said before you start doing some formal study of the Torah, in a group context.
Because of that, it became a tradition for disciples of particularly well-respected teachers to say this in memory and respect, for the year after their death. Then for anyone considered particularly wise.
Then they realized that, doing it that way, NOT saying it kinda implied that the person in question WASN'T wise, so implemented it for everyone.
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Date: 2011-10-30 12:22 pm (UTC)When my grandfather died, my mother,
Religion wasn't Papa's thing personally , but he was very proud of Mom for her study and her work in becoming a rabbinic pastor. He was proud of all of his children and grandchildren whenever they found a role in life that was fulfilling for us, no matter what that role was.
Anyway, putting the funeral service together for her father posed challenges for Mom, aside from the obvious emotional challenge of being in the dual, and conflicting, roles of officiant and mourner. She looked at the different parts of the funeral service and thought about which parts were appropriate for Papa, and which were not.
She decided that the El maleh rachamim prayer would NOT be appropriate:
However, the Jewish community has also developed a non-theistic prayer which is also part of the memorial process:
Mom, my sister, and I actually did a little editing of it, to put in some references to sailing, jazz, stage magic, and dentistry, to make it more personal and accurate.
And, bringing it back to the original point, she thought a bit about Kaddish, too. Because that IS a prayer about G-d. But she decided that the reason we say it is for the MOURNER'S relationship with G-d, not the deceased's. Mom decided that, as SHE believes in G-d, it's appropriate for her to say Kaddish for Papa. El maleh rachamim would not have been appropriate, because it is about Papa's soul and relationship with G-d, and Papa didn't believe in the soul or in G-d.
Hunh. Just realized something. You know that really awful thing that some people say about atheists, that "how could an atheist be a good person if they don't believe in God?" I just realized why I'm so offended by that.
My grandfather was one of the absolutely best people I've ever met, one of the kindest, most decent, most honorable people I've known. He didn't believe in the soul, or in God. Anyone who questions the ability of atheists to be good people is insulting the memory of my grandfather, and insulting the honor of my family.
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Date: 2011-10-30 05:45 pm (UTC)However, despite my being non-Jewish, I have been known to recite kaddish in memory of others. Not in the congregation, obviously, but more as a personal observance. If it wouldn't offend you, there'd be a pudgy red headed gentile pastor saying it in your memory as well.
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Date: 2011-10-30 07:28 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-30 09:06 pm (UTC)