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I'm a bartender, and I've been working on re-creation pre-Prohibition cocktails, using fresh ingredients and classic liquors and liqueurs. Obviously, back before there was corn syrup, bartenders didn't use corn syrup, but Americans in the Nineteenth century had quite a sweet tooth in their drinking. Sugar, in many different forms, was an integral part of almost every drink. In the old days, a cocktail definitionally had liquor, a sweet syrup of some sort (maybe just simple syrup), some bitters, and probably one more ingredient -- a juice, or a liqueur, or just SOMETHING else.

Well, one of the sweet syrups that they used was Grenadine syrup, but the Grenadine they used had about the same relationship to the stuff we have as the Maraschino cherries they used have to ours -- they're similar, in some sort of sense -- if you've had the real thing, you can sort of taste what the modern thing is TRYING to do -- but, they're not very close at all. (A "maraschino cherry", by the old definition, is a sour cherry marinated and stored in a thick syrup/paste mixture of Maraschino liqueur and sugar. Luxardo still manufactures them, and if you see a jar, pick one up -- they're really rather good.)

Grenadine is a very easy syrup to make: one part sugar to two parts pomegranate juice. You can add a couple drops of orange blossom water, but it's not strictly necessary. The only reason, as far as I can tell, that the real stuff fell out of favor is that, for decades, you just couldn't GET pomegranate juice in the United States. But now that we all love our antioxidants, there's no reason to use the Rose's Artificial Stuff any more. Well, unless you want to, I guess.

So, I decided to make some, for the first time. I put the sugar and pomegranate juice into a pot, and set the flame on reasonably high to get it simmering. Once it started simmering, I reduced the flame and simmered it for about a half hour, until it had reduced and thickened somewhat. I changed the heat a few times, and did do a full boil for a couple minutes to caramelize the sugar; in the future, I'm not sure if I'd do that. The darker caramelized sugar flavor tastes more like the Rose's stuff we're used to, but it overpowers a lot of the pomegranate flavor. I was tasting it as I went (using a new teaspoon each time -- I'm sanitary), and it was coming along nicely.

Eventually, it finished, and I poured it into a glass bottle for storage.

Then I put the bottle in the sink, not noticing the puddle of water, and the jar cracked, and my quart of Grenadine went down the drain.

Oh, well. At least it was down the drain rather than on the floor.

(x-posted to [livejournal.com profile] failed_recipe)

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Date: 2008-03-09 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com
Now I want to make grenadine at home.

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Date: 2008-03-09 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
That's among the reasons I posted the recipe.

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Date: 2008-03-09 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jehanna.livejournal.com
Ooo. Sounds yummy. I wonder how much relation this stuff bears to the pomegranate molasses you get for middle-eastern cooking? Maybe just a difference in how much reduction is going on?

Also, I love bottled pomegranate juice, because it makes pomegranate sorbet absurdly easy to make, and that is some of the best stuff ever.

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Date: 2008-03-09 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebmommy.livejournal.com
pomegranate sorbet - yum! do you have a recipe?

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Date: 2008-03-09 02:10 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aquaeri.livejournal.com
It does sound easy (apart from the hot glass problem).

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Date: 2008-03-09 05:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fibro-witch.livejournal.com
Have you been looking for any old bar tender or cook books? Should I keep my eyes out for older books?

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Date: 2008-03-09 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
We have a number of reprint books, as well as several antique pharmacy books, which include liqueurs and syrups, but, yes, that's something that interests us.

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Date: 2008-03-09 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] felis-sidus.livejournal.com
Why "failed recipe"? Sounds like the recipe worked out just fine. It was the bottling that failed.

BTW, I don't know about bottled pomegranate juice, but the fresh stuff makes a wonderful permanent purple dye.

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Date: 2008-03-09 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badgerthorazine.livejournal.com
Hmm. Does sound yummy! I'll have to try to get some sometime, or perhaps there's a recipe book in amongst the cookbooks at my dad's house.

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Date: 2008-03-09 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nex0s.livejournal.com
How long would homemade grenadine last? Do you have to keep it refrigerated?

Also, I'm thinking maybe I'll make maraschino cherries this year if I go cherry picking again. Mmmm.

I still have about 4 cups of frozen sour cherries in my freezer :) Lately I've been using frozen sweet cherries as my garnish for drinks. Fantastic! Keeps your drink cold, and gives a nice cherry flavor towards the end without being overhwelming. Also: yum for frozen cherries :) They are cherries I picked last summer. Soooo good.

N.

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Date: 2008-03-09 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebmommy.livejournal.com
Would pomegranate concentrate (not the juice) work for grenadine in you recipes? No sugar in it - so you'd still have to add sweetener. Sadaf makes a good, kosher concentrate. I use it to make a celebratory drink for holidays: sparkling grape juice (or sparkling wine), pomegranate concentate, with a few pomegranate seeds in the bottom of the glass. Pretty color.

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Date: 2008-03-09 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deerdancer22.livejournal.com
Hi Rebmommy - call me. I have no phone #'s. Did you get the books in January????
much love

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