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Suppose that all the extremist Christian-dominionist fundies get Raptured, the Ayn-Randians "Go Galt", and the tech-supremacists are Singularitied.

Wouldn't that be nice?

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Date: 2011-04-26 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com
What if you were a Randian Dominionist?

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Date: 2011-04-26 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
Go to Heaven, then refuse to participate in anything that Jesus wants you to do.

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Date: 2011-04-26 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
. . . which is unlike what Randian Dominionists do now, which is to stay on Earth, then refuse to participate in anything that Jesus wants you to do.

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Date: 2011-04-26 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com
rimshot. debates metaquotes.

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Date: 2011-04-26 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Depends whether you have a Moat card in your hand.

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Date: 2011-04-26 12:03 pm (UTC)
gingicat: deep purple lilacs, some buds, some open (just me - Jewish)
From: [personal profile] gingicat
What if the Messiah comes? I know I'd be torn, especially since I don't believe in the Messiah but would like to...

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Date: 2011-04-26 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 403.livejournal.com
In that case, plant a tree. :)

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Date: 2011-04-26 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
Oh Hell yes.

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Date: 2011-04-26 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polydad.livejournal.com
What is "being Singularitied?" I'm not sure if I'm in that group or not.

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Date: 2011-04-26 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
The "Singularity" is the idea that technology improves on a geometrically increasing time-scale, so there comes a point where, effectively, technology goes to infinity. Or at least, goes "sufficiently advanced." At that point, Something Happens which ends the species' involvement in the physical universe as we perceive it.

Perhaps everyone uploads their minds to a computer, perhaps everybody manages to become Beings Of Pure Thought in some other way, perhaps everyone finds access to some other form of existence. But, in some way, some sort of technological Good Thing happens which ends humanity in its current form.

One reason for this theory is that it's a "nicer" solution to one part of the Fermi Paradox. The "Fermi Paradox" is that there are a LOT of stars out there, and a LOT of them have planets that can support something approximating Life As We Know It, and life probably has a tendency to gain complexity, and as life gains complexity, one thing that it can gain is greater control of its environment, which includes intelligence, which would tend to potentially lead to sapience, and societies, and technology.

Maybe this would be a very, very rare and unlikely event, but there are so many stars out there, and so many chances for this to happen, that you'd expect there to be a LOT of technology-using cultures out there, and many of them would be at our tech level or higher, and many of them would also be curious about life on other planets, too, and at least some of them would have individuals who would try to send out messages to other planets, the way that some humans do --

Where is everybody? There are SO many places that could have life, that you'd figure that at least ONE culture would have tried to contact us by now.

So, one possibility is that the amount of time that a species exists at a technology level where they COULD send out a message to another planet is so incredibly short, on the scale that we're talking, that it changes the odds. If a species just doesn't last more than, oh, a couple hundred to a couple thousand years after it develops to the point where it COULD send out a message, then that's going to DRASTICALLY drop the chances of actually making contact with someone else.

One way THAT might work is that, once a species gets enough technology, it tends to drive itself to extinction, through, I dunno, war, environmental disaster, or whatever.

But what if a species tends to get a HAPPY end, instead of destruction? And that's the appeal of the idea of the Singularity -- or, as I've heard it sarcastically called, the Geek Rapture.

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Date: 2011-04-26 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supergee.livejournal.com
I'm in the third group. Have fun.

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Date: 2011-04-26 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
I've been waiting for that day more eagerly than they have.

(Well not so much the techies, but definitely the other two.)

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Date: 2011-04-26 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com
if i actually spot any "after the rapture, can i have your car?" bumperstickers for sale, i am totally buying one. or six.

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Date: 2011-04-26 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burgundy.livejournal.com
I haven't seen those, but I have seen bumper stickers that say things like "Warning: In case of Rapture, this car will be uncontrolled." Because Jesus really digs the smug assholes.

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Date: 2011-04-30 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinker.livejournal.com
I suspect [livejournal.com profile] starcat_jewel's SO sells those.

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Date: 2011-04-26 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com
I would be, in and of myself, Singularity-minded, but too many people I care for are not, so that would leave me far too busy dithering to enjoy myself.

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Date: 2011-04-26 01:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] richardf8
You do realize that would leave us with the Jehovah's Witnesses and there "Paradise on Earth."

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Date: 2011-04-26 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
JWs aren't a big threat to my way of life. They tend to be pretty decent people. I know people can be annoyed by door-to-door Witnessing, but around here, anyway, they have always been very polite about accepting, "I'm sorry; I'm not interested in hearing about that." I'm sure they're disappointed, but they are only required to try, after all.

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Date: 2011-04-26 04:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] snippy
It's not as if they'd socialize with you, since you're not a Witness.

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Date: 2011-04-26 06:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ceo
But that would mean the extremist Christian-dominionist fundies were right.

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Date: 2011-04-26 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vonbeck.livejournal.com
They would only be right if getting "left behind" is the bad thing they claim.
I like Xiphias' "good ridence to them" view point.

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