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So, cat pissed on the bed again today. I threw the comforter in the wash, and was going to do the blanket and sheets when I got home -- I went out to Mom and Dad's place for Shabbat dinner. (Dad threw together a very tasty meal: marinated tofu sauteed with onions, steamed bok choy, and buckwheat noodles with a sauce that was based mainly on almond butter, but I saw him putting hoisan sauce in it, too -- don't know what else, but it was good.)

Anyway, when I came home, the cat had pissed AGAIN on the bed, soaking through to the mattress. I think I'm sleeping on the floor tonight. Or maybe on the air mattress that's downstairs. There's plenty of places to sleep, but that doesn't make the cat any less annoying.

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Date: 2005-11-05 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burgundy.livejournal.com
Is it possible she's sick? A couple of years ago, my cat would not stop peeing on the bed, and it turned out she had cystitis, and it wasn't her fault, and after she got some medication she was fine. I mean, she still pees on my stuff from time to time, but never on something she likes to sleep on.

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Date: 2005-11-05 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
It's possible, yes. She's had problems with UTIs in the past, and I have been intending to call the vet. I'm going to do so tomorrow; it's on my to-do list.

But it's also possible it's behavioral. She also pisses on the bed when she's upset at us.

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Date: 2005-11-05 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burgundy.livejournal.com
Whatever the cause is - this really sucks. I don't know if it's the same for you, but I remember when my bed was under attack, and I felt so frustrated and helpless, because ultimately, there just wasn't a whole lot I could do. She's a cat. I cannot reason with her, or ask her nicely, or even yell at her and expect it to have an effect. I ended up sleeping on the couch until I got a new mattress, and the whole thing was just really unpleasant. So, I'm sorry you're dealing with this.

I've also read that acting-out behavior (like bed peeing) is more about stress and upset than anger per se (as felis_sidus says). Cats' brains don't really work in such a way that they could act to punish us - they'd have to have some kind of theory of mind to do that, they'd have to understand that we have emotions and feelings that are set off by certain behaviors, they'd have to be able to form cause-and-effect chains. And I don't know that I believe cats can do that. Which isn't to say it might not be behavioral - but it could be, for example, "Lis is gone and I'm freaked out" rather than "I'm mad at you and want to make you pay."

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Date: 2005-11-05 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
I believe that at least some cats have a theory of mind. Perse, one of the cats here, was offended while I'd pet Moon, a visiting cat. She showed it by giving my hands a big sniff and moving away if I tried to pet her after petting him. (Much better than peeing on the bed.)

I tested what was going on by petting Moon where she couldn't see it happening and then going to pet her. No big sniff. No moving away.

She wasn't smelling anything on my hands. She was trying to convey a message.

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Date: 2005-11-05 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com
Could you shut the bedroom door to keep her out?

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Date: 2005-11-05 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] felis-sidus.livejournal.com
I'm of the mind that she may have crystals in her bladder. She could have a UTI, but even without infection, she could have small crystals that might not even show up in an x-ray. The vet's definitely the way to go. The longer you wait, the more difficult it will be to treat, if she is sick. Crystals could also explain what may appear to be behavioral inappropriate elimination. In a cat susceptible to urinary crystals, stress can bring on the problem. So it may not be that she's urinating on the bed to punish you, it may be that she's stressed, so her bladder hurts, so she urinates on the bed because she associates it with comfort. One other thing.. Consider how long it's been since her litter box not only was scooped, but had all the litter emptied, and the box washed and sanitized. If it's been more than a week, she may be using the bed because she's too turned off by her box.

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Date: 2005-11-05 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trcabbage.livejournal.com
Use a bit of citronella spray on te bed.
Cats tend to pee in in their owners beds when they're angry. They *hate* the smell of that kind of spray and will avoid the bed after getting a good whiff of that spray.

She may be sick as has already been noted, however, there are still better places for her to pee while you figure this out. If you want to do the 'more than fair' route, put another litter box by your bed and move it a bit every day after three days, closer to where the current litter box it.
The handy box combined with that spray should solve your bed wetting problem.


Tobie

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Date: 2005-11-05 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com
We use this stuff called 'Natures Miracle' to get out pee smells from Sam (our youngest). It works fairly well.

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Date: 2005-11-05 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roozle.livejournal.com
or close her out of the bedroom, especially if you're not at home? At least while you search for a better solution.

Some other solutions

Date: 2005-11-05 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deerdancer22.livejournal.com
Of course the vet is first. I find when an animal picks something that impacts us it is their way of saying please pay attention - I don't know how else to communicate this to you.

So it could be a call for help for a medical problem but my bet is that she is upset to "lose" Lis. So here is what I do:

1. I learned from an animal communicator that animals "hear" in pictures. I had a dog who couldn't handle when I visiting my Mom for a week or more. I sat her down and talked to her before each visit and sent her pictures as I talked of my Mom's condo and the environment. She never got upset again. So talk to your kitty and send her pictures of where Lis is and of Lis coming home on the plane.

2. Go to http://www.perelandra-ltd.com/ and order the ETS (emergency trauma solution) for animals. It works like a miracle.

3. I also know a healing meditation that works great for animals if you want that too.

Much love to you and your kitty.

Where is the post about the dinner

Date: 2005-11-05 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deerdancer22.livejournal.com
So I read your posts and then went back to respond. There was a post about this incredible Shabbot dinner your Dad cooked and then the post wasn't there??

Re: Where is the post about the dinner

Date: 2005-11-05 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com
This is it -- just the parenthetical comment in this post.

Re: Where is the post about the dinner

Date: 2005-11-05 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deerdancer22.livejournal.com
Oh! What I wanted to say was how much I miss Shabbot dinners at your folks home! Boo Hoo!
Only thing I don't like about having moved to Florida.

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Date: 2005-11-05 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wargoddess.livejournal.com
If she has just started doing this it is probably a sign of illness. Your cat (as I remember) is also rather elderly, which may also be a factor.

If she is peeing in the same spot each time, maybe you should look into puppy training pads for that spot. they are available at most pet stores.

>^,^< .

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Date: 2005-11-05 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deerdancer22.livejournal.com
He might not want puppy pads on his bed!:>)

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Date: 2005-11-05 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wargoddess.livejournal.com
Maybe not, but it IS preferable to cat urine soaking into the mattress.

It is possible that she is peeing in her sleep as well.

>^,^< .

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Date: 2005-11-05 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattblum.livejournal.com
If it's behavioral, it's probably because she's angry with Lis for going away.

However, it may well not be behavioral, and I think taking her to the vet would be the way I'd go if I were you.

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Date: 2005-11-05 03:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gingicat
That was my thought, that she misses Lis. But definitely make sure it's not illness.

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Date: 2005-11-05 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
I'm sorry; I couldn't help laughing when I read this.
I love you. I bought you prezzies (assuming I can get them thru customs)
My inbox has over 300 messages in it, so don't send anything except to the email address I've used from london.
I'm currently paying for internet use at an easyinternet cafe, so don't have *much* time.
BTW, can i do permanent damage to my feet for being on them so much? Oy do they hurt...

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Date: 2005-11-05 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nesher.livejournal.com
You definately have my sympathy. We have a cat who went through a phase of pissing all over the place, including on my wife's pillow. We figured this was a sign something was wrong, so we got a book titled "The Cat Who Cried for Help." The suggestions there seemed to help some, but in the end we also had the vet put him on Buspar, an anti-anxiety drug. In addition to curbing the pissing, he's become a much more social cat since then.

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Date: 2005-11-13 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mixedborder.livejournal.com
Oh, I love that book!

Update??

Date: 2005-11-07 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] felis-sidus.livejournal.com
So.. What's up with Boopsie? Still urinating in inappropriate places?

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