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Date: 2008-03-16 11:10 am (UTC)
Including then. There have been wine producers that have tried to fob off wine faults as wine characteristics. There have been people that have claimed that "barnyard" is not a fault, it's a characteristic.

They are wrong. If it smells like crap and tastes like crap, then it's bad wine, no matter how many people say it's supposed to taste that way. (Sadly, this is an actual argument in wine circles.)
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