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xiphias ([personal profile] xiphias) wrote2015-04-07 06:56 am

A few thoughts about the Hugos this year.

I think there are three reasonable ways to vote for the Hugos this year. The first is to vote as usual, ignoring whether a work was on the Sad Puppy slate or not. There are a handful of actually competent awards and people on the Sad Puppy Slate, who, judging by skill alone, could deserve a Hugo. I mean, I wouldn't expect every voter to force themselves to read more than a sentence or two of works which they find they actually hate, but there are a couple works and people who aren't offensive, and may even be competent. For instance, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY is a perfectly reasonable choice for Best Dramatic Long Form, and might have won the Hugo without any campaigning for it. Were I a voter, and absent any other considerations, it would probably be my choice.

In a completely related question, how the HELL did Jennifer Brozek end up on the Sad Puppy slate? This is not a rhetorical question. She is a member of Broad Universe, which makes her an SJW and the enemy by the Sad Puppy definition. What the hell?

The second option is to ignore anything on the Sad Puppy slate and only consider the remainder of the choices. As I suggested two paragraphs ago, this might cut out actually decent choices, but one could reasonably argue, and smart people I know have been reasonably argued, that voting for anything on a slate has a tendency to legitimize the very concept of a slate.

And the third option is to vote No Award on EVERYTHING, or at least everything that has at least one Sad Puppy on it, on the argument that the award is tainted. Because the slate voting pushed something ELSE out of consideration. It might be that the actual best work WOULD have been nominated absent the slate, but the slate broke the process irredeemably.

Like I said, I can see, have seen, and continue to see, good arguments for all of them.

And I hate ALL of the choices. They ALL either legitimize the Sad Puppies, or allow them to destroy the Hugos outright.

I don't have any solutions. Maybe require a short essay with each nomination explaining why you think it's worthy? With punishments for plagiarism, like revoking of membership, because, well, plagiarists suck?

That's a joke, of course. Unless you think it might work.

[personal profile] ron_newman 2015-04-07 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
For those of us looking on puzzled from outside ...

where did the name "Sad Puppy" come from? And for that matter, the opposing party name "SJW" ? Are these both from some book, short story, comic, or movie?

[identity profile] quietann.livejournal.com 2015-04-07 11:56 am (UTC)(link)
Not sure of the origin of "sad puppies" but it's basically a group of mostly-male, mostly-libertarian or conservative SF fans, headed by a guy who got kicked out of the SFWA over his very offensive (to me) attitudes toward women ... who got onto the Hugo ballots a "slate" of SF/F works that do not threaten their belief that they are superior to the rest of us out here. Or something like that.

SJW stands for "Social Justice Warriors" and are what the SP's call those opposed to their "slate." If you have noticed that this is what the GamerGate trolls call their "foes", well there is a reason.

I am actually motivated to vote in the Hugos for the first time in years. I've been eligible to vote many times because of my Worldcon memberships, but I do not actually consume a lot of SF/F media. Tthere are two works this year I want to support. Neither are "slate" candidates, which is icing on the cake as far as I am concerned. For the rest of the categories, if I am feeling ethical I will leave them blank, since I have no knowledge of the works. If I'm still as PO'd at the "slate" as I am now, it will be "No Award" straight down the ballot.

[identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com 2015-04-07 01:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I have seen solid arguments that "No Award" right down the slate without reading is an ethical and honorable choice. I haven't decided whether I agree or not, but I definitely put it in the "This is an area in which I am willing to agree to disagree, because I believe that there are solid ethical and honorable arguments on all sides."
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[identity profile] sinanju.livejournal.com 2015-04-08 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
I've also seen the argument that voting No Award for everything is simply proving the Sad Puppies' alleged point--that the voting is all about politics and cliques instead of actual quality. "Because the Sad Puppies have gamed the system, I will vote No Award on everything and if you're a good writer who might have won a Hugo for your work save for this tempest in fandom's teapot, well, sucks to be you, I guess."

[identity profile] kinfae.livejournal.com 2015-04-09 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. If No Award sweeps everything, the Sad Puppies have actually completely proven their point - that it's not about which works are best anymore.

[identity profile] juliansinger.livejournal.com 2015-04-11 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
The Puppy folks are going to declare victory no matter what, so I basically think people shouldn't consider the possible Puppy response in making their own (ethical and responsible) decisions to it all.

As long as they are in fact both ethical and responsible.

(On a side note, I was under the impression you were a Puppy supporter yourself? I don't ask antagonistically, I'm just confused.)
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[personal profile] redbird 2015-04-07 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
The sad puppies are self-named; apparently they are oh so unhappy that others of the people who have been nominating and voting for awards have chosen things they wouldn't have. Or something. "SJW" is "social justice warrior"; the sad puppies are among those who unironically use that as an insult, and not because they think we should be social justice paladins or social justice architects instead. (If you run across references to the related "rabid puppies" slate, that is also self-named.)

[personal profile] ron_newman 2015-04-07 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
"Social Justice Warriors" sounds like it should be the name of a DC Comics superhero ensemble. Where did this originate?